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Ominous Predictions?

Aug 04

  1. Anonymous permalink

    From Anonymous

    I would like to throw this out there. What happened to Pierre Lemaitre? I heard that he took his own life because of harassment in the RCMP. I also heard that he was on Stress leave as a result of the Dziekanski case. Can any one confirm this? Rumours have been flying around and some one should be talking about this, if this indeed was the reason for his death.

    The attached video is very powerful and I believe that this is just what happened. I look forward to finding out the truth behind Pierre’s death.

    I am in deep despair and anguish over his passing. This is something that was preventable.

    Rest in Peace Pierre. You will not be forgotten.

  2. RCMP brass already said they don’t want public examination of matters related to Lemaitre’s death. If job stress is a prime cause and if recent RCMP administrative actions exacerbated that stress, I hope his family and colleagues will come forward. Staying quiet will do nothing for others suffering stress related illness nor will it help future members who will be refused the support they need in difficult times.

    • Anonymous permalink

      The only reason the RCMP does not want public examination of anything is due to the fear of exposure of Managerial incompetence. The years/decades of this protecting of management has measurably accumulated due to the staggering number of out of court financial settlements between the RCMP and aggrieved/victims of this incompetence. This has been done to the point that the cash value interferes with the financial administration of the RCMP. Under the secrecy of confidentiality agreements hundreds of millions have been and are being paid out. Still Unresolved settlements alone total in the mega milions across Canada annually.
      The larger part of the forces ever disappearing operational budget including salary dollars is being redirected to the ever increasing “out of court settlements” awarded to conceal this incompetence is near to if not past the tipping point.
      The Commissioner and each D/Comm and A/Comm just kick the can of “Out of court settlements” down the road hoping the debacle is not exposed under their watch.

  3. Anonymous permalink

    Very ominous indeed.

  4. Anonymous permalink

    We all know members who were pushed to suicide because of the BS. But like the Dr said none of them has gone on a rampage. The reason is they only wanted the pain to stop. and not harm others,

  5. Bob Perry permalink

    The RCMP traditionally has been exceptionally reticent to discuss, even internally, police officer suicides. In reporting deaths known to be self-inflicted they often refer to the member as having “died suddenly.” It has always been unclear as to why we, as an organization, cannot be more forthcoming in acknowledging that simple fact.

    Sensitivity for the member’s family/friends/relatives along with health services related confidentialities are often cited as rationales to preclude further discussion. But among those who knew the deceased and co-workers that discussion is often very active as we grapple with the sense of “why”?

    It would be interesting to hear from the forum members if a more transparent discussion within the organization, and perhaps external to the organization, should be had. Thoughts?

    What is perhaps more important is that it is also unclear if anyone in the RCMP Health Services actually conducts a forensic review of RCMP officer suicides in order to glean insight into the precipitating factors; including those that are organizationally related. My knowledge around the inner workings of the RCMP suggests that they do not.

    We have a long way to go in the RCMP towards a more humanistic and compassionate focus on those that serve. Often remarked it is the organization stress (the BS back at the office/Division HQ or Ottawa HQ) and not the daily police stress of dealing with the day-to-day calls for service that is the worse enemy. Spending twenty or thirty years on the frontlines to get a pension takes it physiological and psychological toll; is it really worth it in the end?

    Badge of Life Canada (link) published some good, credible information around police related suicides in July 2013. Link is as follows:

    Police Suicide Myths & Other Bogus Related Information

    Bob Perry

    • Jeff Who permalink

      I’m curious how many suicides there have actually been in the RCMP. I’m sure there have been some, numbers alone dictate here must be a few. But is that outside of the normal ratios? You said it yourself Bob Perry: is it really worth it in the end? The people that have these recurring feelings and thoughts might want to think about another career.

  6. Bob Perry permalink

    Suggested “we have a long way to go in the RCMP towards a more humanistic and compassionate focus ” – not that we are anywhere close yet. I have read the Statement of Claim for many of the pending lawsuits that are available – some terrible wrongs have been done that require individuals and the organization to account.

    Unfortunately I suspect these will be only individual victories and may not set a course correction for the organization as a whole – one only has to see the end result of the Brown Commission and the “huff and puff” that followed leading us where….?

    The fact that it took an internal grievance by a female member surrounding the right to wear banana pants ten (10) years to resolve in favour of all female members says a great deal. There are many similar stories in every aspect of the organization….. Though we have made some progress since the 1980’s.

    The RCMP is not a flexible nor nimble organization and continues to struggle in an evolving post-industrial world while trapped in an industrial mindset. As an organization we have yet to “tell the truth” about our current reality –

  7. Anonymous permalink

    Part of the problem for Mental Health issues is that our Government and RCMP depend on Veteran Affairs to help the RCMP member. Now I realize that Military Veteran’s have been in WAR Zone’s they have seen real bad stuff. Police Officer deal with Bad People doing bad things for at least 25 to 30 yrs. War is worst than our Job, but our Job is longer then WAR, As with the Military Veteran we have to fight the system, our Supervisor’s and Families because nobody understands our Job except Front Line Officer’s that have PTSD. We don’t have programs for Police with PTSD like the Military does. The cause of our PTSD is different the cure is different, But PTSD is still killing us inside.
    We need a Minister of Police Veterans, or a Branch of DVA geared specifically toward Police Officers. How can we explain the pain we have seen here in Canada.

  8. Anonymous permalink

    Dearest Pierre
    Our paths crossed years ago. I am sorry you felt the only out was to take your life. You were failed by many people and I hope you are in peace. I hope somone reflects (health services, brass etc) what role they played and how they could of prevented this. I am sure many members have contemplated suicide as there is only so much a person can take. Find peace my fellow colleagues and know many people are in your position and would help.

    Rest in Peace Pierre

    An old collegue

  9. Bob Perry permalink

    The Ontario Ombudsman examination and subsequent report around operational stress in the OPP in 2012 echoes many of the issues members of the RCMP have surfaced. The report notes:

    (11) We as a society expect our police officers to be tough. After all, their duty is to serve and protect, and we want strong and heroic protectors. But while exposure to trauma is an occupational hazard in policing, emotional resilience differs with the situation and the individual. The same incident may leave some unaffected, while others may experience profound psychological injury. Someone might appear to withstand a series of traumatic events unscathed, but then one triggering incident sends him or her over the edge. And when officers retire from service, they don’t leave their experiences behind them. The cumulative impact of operational stress can result in injury many years after the fact.

    (13) During this investigation, we were contacted by many courageous officers, active and retired, who have been affected and afflicted by operational stress injuries. A number of themes emerged from their compelling stories. We repeatedly heard that although the OPP has made progress in recent years in addressing operational stress injuries through training and education, the stigma surrounding mental illness is still acute and continues to prevent members from coming forward to get help. Officers known to suffer from operational stress injuries are often isolated, subject to ridicule and ostracism by their peers, and regularly feel unsupported by management, as well as devalued when they return to work in accommodated positions.

    (16)In addition, unlike some police agencies, the OPP does not formally keep track of officer suicides, nor does it conduct “psychological autopsies” to discover the factors leading to the deaths, to better understand and plan for future training and programming. It has no formal suicide prevention program. And, perhaps surprisingly in an organization awash in paramilitary culture, where there are myriad rules and regulations, there is no formal procedure for dealing with member suicides. Without the supports and ceremonies that give comfort to survivors of line-of-duty deaths, supervisors, colleagues, and bereaved family members may be left adrift.

    Source: Marin, A. (2012). In the Line of Duty: Investigation into how the Ontario Provincial Police and the
Ministry of Community Safety and Correctional Services have addressed operational stress injuries affecting police officers. Ontario Ombudsman Report.

  10. mixer permalink

    As you all know when we visit the Mental Health Doctors, the Doctors have to write a report to our employer about how we are doing… that’s how they get to brand us. The doctor gives them our conditions.. What other employer does that? ….Oh well it’s the RCMP way …

  11. Anonymous,

    I have it on good authority that currently RCMP management is in discussions with Provincial leaders and the Provincial WCB Boards. The RCMP wants to take RCMP out of Veterans Affairs and place workplace medical issues under Provincial WCB guidelines.

    Good help those that need any assistance if this happens. It is estimated that a decision on this will be made in one to two years.

    If in fact WCB does become the avenue for medical assistance for RCMP, it should be noted that on average it takes about four years to have a case heard before the WCB.

    Time to get out or get an Association/Union

    • WCB policy requires that a claimant never speak to the same WCB worker twice. So there is no informed continuity for a claimant – only what is written on the “secret form the claimant” WCB file.
      A WCB fix will definitely see members going postal.

  12. Calvin Lawrence permalink


    My next comment, the RCMP Barbie doll. No it is not a joke. and no ladies there is no accompanying Ken doll. Etc—-


    The depiction of RCMP members by using dolls is nothing new.

    While I was a facilitator at RCMP Depot in Regina the noon parades reflected diversity to some degree. Non-white members dotted the troops. At graduations the families would be proud of their friends and relatives. However, when they went to the RCMP canteen to get a red serge image of their families and friends, (RCMP Graduate) there were only depictions of White Males. Now they have a depiction of a white female. Someone on the news even said that she speaks french.

    The quest for a non-white image by RCMP members and organizations is nothing new. The Diversity Management Section of the RCMP has requested a more diverse image in the past. This did not happen.

    When you enter an RCMP souvenir shop the only brown depictions of the RCMP are bears, moose, and beavers. They have even been promoted with Sgt an Cpl. stripes.

    If I had children I guess the only real life images that I could give them is of an RCMP member in a white male or white female uniform.

    Calvin Lawrence (RCMP Black Member Retired)

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